Daily 30k, fire 2nd bullet or give up??

[bridgey321]

Hand from Daily 30k. Do I shove and rep overpair or just give up??

PokerStars Game #38167445938: Tournament #262010494, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (500/1000) - 2010/01/14 22:18:32 WET [2010/01/14 17:18:32 ET]
Table '262010494 137' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: skipo99 (46287 in chips)
Seat 2: daegu7 (45807 in chips)
Seat 3: mjsecret (19330 in chips)
Seat 4: smirgl (10003 in chips)
Seat 5: Kicking76 (24150 in chips)
Seat 6: Plaette (2181 in chips)
Seat 7: bridgey321 (23186 in chips)
Seat 8: yarradogs (37353 in chips)
Seat 9: theobqaz (38009 in chips)
skipo99: posts the ante 125
daegu7: posts the ante 125
mjsecret: posts the ante 125
smirgl: posts the ante 125
Kicking76: posts the ante 125
Plaette: posts the ante 125
bridgey321: posts the ante 125
yarradogs: posts the ante 125
theobqaz: posts the ante 125
theobqaz: posts small blind 500
skipo99: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bridgey321 [:Ts :Ad]
daegu7: folds
mjsecret: folds
smirgl: folds
Kicking76: folds
Plaette: folds
bridgey321: raises 1375 to 2375
yarradogs: folds
theobqaz: calls 1875
skipo99: calls 1375
*** FLOP *** [:5d :5c :4d]
theobqaz: checks
skipo99: checks
bridgey321: bets 5375
theobqaz: folds
skipo99: calls 5375
*** TURN *** [:5d :5c :4d] [:3h]
skipo99: checks
bridgey321: ???

[Gerrard48LFC]

I think i would like a shove here. There is what, like 20k in the pot already and we have <PSB left? I don't put him on a very good hand, 2overs QJ/KJ some ****. He has 88 if he is a moron.

[891327]

I'd bet smaller on the flop if I wanted to be able to bet/fold the turn aswell but I'd only bet what you did on the flop to set up a pot size shove on the turn, (maybe depending on the turn.) Basically everything I do in this spot completely depends on the player and without extra info its impossible to say what the right play is

[Pates]

Gives up. Villain has 66-99/A5 and WILL go broke. No point. You're against a flush draw with at least 1 live card at very best.

[JD3lta]

Bet.. If your TAG and his tourny life is built on LAG obviously, put on some pressure, your only half way through the hand

[aamir6433]

shaddap you ****

[JD3lta]

shaddap you ****

What do you propose he should do einstein

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

I play the hand a little differently

Pre- I raise to 2.5bb
flop- I bet 1/3rd maybe 40% of the pot and be c/r a lot of turns mostly diamonds.

Reasoning; If you believe villains are going to be jeremying you a lot more than they should this is a great way of putting the screws back on him. Lets say you did indeed have an overpair to this flop would you really fire a 3/4pot bet? My general experience is that people don't and most people don't get too frisky w/o at least some kind of draw anyway. So IMO a raise on the flop is frequently going to be a FD trying to get you off overs or a purr of 88's protecting his hand. Therefore diamond turns will be the aids card for his range and incidentally it improves your hand somewhat.

However that being said as played I c/f if he has 66+ or even 22 he aint folding and with my previous reasoning I don't even think he has a FD's in his range and as pates has pointed out he might have hands like 44 and 5x in his range so pushing is bad here most of time.

Also how I would play it I wouldn't c/r on that turn card.

[Pates]

I just think people in the 30k GRTD will not fold 77 on this board. Ever. What happened?

[pokethis]

I just think people in the 30k GRTD will not fold 77 on this board. Ever. What happened?

thing is they didn't fold random overs on the flop either.

tough spot and i dont play enough MTT poker to know whats right, i would shov though.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

thing is they didn't fold random overs on the flop either.

tough spot and i dont play enough MTT poker to know whats right, i would shov though.

So you percieve villains flop calling range here to be 100% of their pre-flop ranges? I think overs get folded a lot here and you might get a call from Ax

[pokethis]

errm not quite what i said but overs are a partial part of his calling range, run the maths and we see if he calls about 10% of his overs hands and 50% of pocket pairs, then turn shove is profitable.

[Pates]

thing is they didn't fold random overs on the flop either.

Well then we just check behind on the turn and we're still ahead. If they give us a billion to 1 on the river then we call. You can be sure that any two overs we're ahead of on the flop. If the guy in position bets the turn then we can fold (as I doubt someone is floating with less than AQ in a multiway pot). Then on the river OOP is going to check again unless they have it. If the guy behind bets on a brick then we can just check call him off knowing that if he had a pair he would've bet the turn.

[tan_man25]

If you believe villains are going to be jeremying you a lot more

Wow! You've managed to use my name as poker slang.

Heres some slang for your name:

That disabled guy is a George.

xxx

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

Wow! You've managed to use my name as poker slang.

Heres some slang for your name:

That disabled guy is a George.

xxx

Now stop being mean to disabled people they generally lead far more fufilling lives than mine.

[tan_man25]

Now stop being mean to disabled people they generally lead far more fufilling lives than mine.

lol +1

[bridgey321]

I checked behind and folded to his 1/4 pot bet on the river. I think I made the right decision, people rarely fold here after calling flop

[RNGkillmenow]

I wouldnt cbet here vs two opponents. the BB could have anything and the SB's range is pretty wide too so all it does is put u in ****land if they do anything but fold. plus the board may look harmless but it really hit a lot of both players ranges (ace/little FD, any over paiur, many suited connectors). I would just check behind and give up on the turn.

you still have 20 BB even after giving up. a big part of MTTs is not sewing off and keeping yourself out of ****spots.

I wouldnt hate it if you just jammed this PF either.