How did Hachem win in 05?

[bridgey321]

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Yeah its been a 4 bet flop Joe, yeah he's shoved the turn. TT good?

What an idiot. He must've run like god to ship it in 2005. So sick.

[tan_man25]

Wow, what an absolute donk call!!! Those 10's seem to be hittin the river though!

[Gerrard48LFC]

AK vs AA one time.

[Growface]

Hehe maybe he become a bit reckless after the cash

[Browen]

That is one of the few things that would seriously tilt me. Just horrible play by Hachem, he beats nothing after that action.

[James]

This is a pretty bad call, the only defence is the board was quite drawy. Hey growface, welcome to the forum!

[ROCKART]

Originally Posted by Growface

Hehe maybe he become a bit reckless after the cash

yea thats exactly what i was thinking.

but i agree that is he a sub-par player for someone who has won a WSOP bracelet. i still curse dannenman for making that call with A3 headsup for the championship. that was almost worse than raising with 7 3 offsuit.....

i have no ****ing idea what he thought he beating.

[Mike]

was probably rigged.

[Pates]

Against Hachem there's no way I'd walk away so calmy. I really dislike the guy and he genuinely didn't seem too bothered by his play there. He probably thought, "well I was ahead preflop so I deserved to win that hand" despite all the signals that he shouldn't of stuck it all in.

What about the terrible hand Pazara plays? Talk about egos. How can he call that flop. Rofl at Matusow's "Uhhhhh" when Pazara calls his over pair + 2nd NFD... Oh, and the little speech preflop.

p.s At the same time I think the hair salon guy deserved it for min raising. Did you see how quick he was to min raise Hachem? Surely this is a blatent tell or is he meta gaming as he usually bluffs with a min raise..?

[bizkit]

I'm going to give him a pass on this hand. I don't really like Hachem and some of his comments lead me to believe he doesn't understand the dynamics of poker and poker theory. That doesn't mean he's a bad player though. Here, we have no idea what previous action has transpired and its a complex hand to play. For all we know Mucha could have insta min-raised then 4bet bottom pair earlier in the session. Maybe its the 2nd or 3rd time he's raised Hachem on the flop. We just don't know.

Implied stack is 15,900 at least for Hachem and Mucha. 1650 in the pot on the flop. As for our line on the flop its like I don't think we can make a good argument for doing anything besides betting. I think a close to pot sized bet is about what I would lead out here which is what he does. We get instantly min-raised and this is a really rough spot. 6150 in the middle like 1/3rd the implied stack we could easily be far ahead, far behind or against a draw. All 3 options are not very good. Folding just seems way too tight and means you can basically be pushed of anything even hands as strong as an overpair to a flop min-raise. Calling there's 4 different overs that could land and a number of different spades and not all the other cards are bricks as they could complete various straights with a flush draw or god only knows what else on some type of semi-bluff. We're just not really content with a lot of different turn cards and we're out of position the rest of the hand. 3 betting the flop pretty much commits you to going broke although there's a great deal in the middle. He chooses to re-raise and essentially commit to going broke with a 9ish SPR vs what we perceive to be an unknown amateur. I can't really fault this too much even if he didn't have any added information.