sincere advice please

[nickstrick1]

might seem like a stupid hand to post but i've been in similar situations to this 3 times today and i'm just wonder if i'm making the right moves... what other lines can be taken here? Or am I doing ok:


don't really feel like im maxing my value, but maybe i should just take what I can get with a non-top5 hand

if its not showing up for you hit this:
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/553488

[Mike]

The hand is not showing up for me. and get back to revision!

[Mike]

I don't see what the problem is really? Raise a bit more PF? You have to bet this flop. It's quite wet and there's too many turn cards that you (or your opponents) probably dont want to see. Bet this flop and charge FDs to see a turn.

[bizkit]

Originally Posted by nickstrick1

might seem like a stupid hand to post but i've been in similar situations to this 3 times today and i'm just wonder if i'm making the right moves... what other lines can be taken here? Or am I doing ok:


don't really feel like im maxing my value, but maybe i should just take what I can get with a non-top5 hand

if its not showing up for you hit this:
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/553488

Sometimes I'd be flatting this. When EP raiser decides to come over top of you he can easily have AK I'd rather control the pot size with position on both of my opponents some of the time. When you do raise and you are called in both spots and 3 unders do come out...I think in most games I'm happy to take the pot down. Not many worse hands are going to give you action unless its at a lower buy in table or players in the pot are likely to be either crazy maniacs or people who love to make loose calls.

[nickstrick1]

its last 170 of an $11 deepstack tournament on stars and edging towards the bubble.. my stack is still pretty healthy too. The initial raiser is IMO raising quite light over the last few orbits.

eurgh just threw away a 2k pot by timing out while writing that

[bridgey321]

I like the line of the hand. That is exactly how i'd play it, good flop bet size. But your preflop raise is way too small. I would go for something like 4250 total, you are not folding out any hands with your raise there and TT is a relatively vulnerable hand.

You can flat but I find that 3 betting pre is the way to go in MTTs, this looks like you are relatively deep if you're on stars? Gl anyway.

[Pates]

I thought it was going to pause and say "fold or call?". Imo I'm never 3-betting and if I am it's going to be when I'm shoving. This hand will almost always lose its value on a flop when (most likely) an over card comes. I call here and lead out on a flop like this. It's an EP raiser at full ring, TT is probably only ahead to AK/AQ (blinds are too small to give him credit for opening his range in EP).

You had a pair, there's no need to start betting smaller to squeeze out value, you just want to take this down on the flop and move on. Your bet on the flop is gigantic (as it has to be) because of the 3-bet pre, best to pot control and smooth/lead on low flops.

If for some reason you do want to 3-bet pre, you really could do with making it stronger otherwise (as was seen) you'll just get called by any holdings.

Only hand I'm 3-betting here is QQ against another deepstack. Had he been shorter I'd 3-bet JJ (depending on how short).

[bizkit]

Being on the bubble changing things for me. I am definitely going to flat this most of the time. TT is just too good a hand to bluff off as a 3bet then have to fold to a raise or be confused in a big 3 bet pot with a caller on the bubble.

Also given somehow I got in the situation on the flop, I would lead out a lot less, specifically just less than half the stack of the short stacked opponent. This way your OOP opponent with the bigger stack has to realize he could be easily playing for a pot for all his chips on this street if the shorter stack decides to push.

[nickstrick1]

thanks guys, I get the ideas.. i'll give flatting a go i'f im still in next time. (25/127 left) couldn't ask for a better flop after I 3 bet obvz, sends home any flopped sets on that board.

[tan_man25]

^^ Agree. I would of personally just flatted also. If you 3-bet and you get re-raised over the top, then you probably have to lay your hand down. Just flat preflop and bet the flop IMO.

I know you say hes been 3-betting light, but it still puts you in a sticky situation if he 4-bets an adequate amount.