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    dazzammm is offline Untainted
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    Which site looks the LEAST rigged?

    Hi,

    All the posts here claim "online poker is rigged" but is it possible that there are sites that are not rigged or less rigged than the others?

    ive played on over 30 sites and probably 95% of the networks and i believe 95% of them are rigged.

    there is one site, despite what i have seen on the other sites, i ALMOST trust (Ill name them later). whether thats true or the players are more nitty, therefore, less suck outs i dont know. (the gutshots, 2 outers and runner-runners rarely come and youre surprised that your hand holds up!)

    so, are there any sites that you think are legit or close to being legit?
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    Realist is offline Super Moderator
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazzammm View Post
    Hi,
    ive played on over 30 sites and probably 95% of the networks and i believe 95% of them are rigged.
    Hi Dazza

    My starter for 10. I'm doubting your so called "belief" here is based on anything but instinct, emotion and selective memory.
    Please don't be offended by that.
    To "believe" is to know that something IS rigged and to have that level of certainty you would need to have undertaken some serious levels of analysis which demonstrate conclusively that thedeals are indeed rigged. Doing so would afford you not only instant fame but equally much fortune as every major news network channel would be offering you $000s for your story and analysis numbers. You would be known as "the hero that brought down internet poker" and would be revered by players across the globe.
    That obviously hasn't happened and thus I'm confident you are a basic rig theorist on the first rungs of the ladder of understanding (as indeed I also was in 2008/9).
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    Boi33 is offline Conspiracist
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    There are no online poker websites which aren't 100% rigged. They are all evil and corrupt making money for themselves or for those a..holes who are just so greedy and don't know what how to lose.

    Often you see those a..hole players who are named vip, nuts, river, or some other stupid name, or they are a clone of your username, or are a string of numbers. They are getting dealt the winning hands almost everyhand. These players are call stations. They will always have the nuts, or pockets, and will have hit the flop, winning even when they are massively behind and dominated. How many people in kazakhstan or some equally unheard of, of places have computers and a great internet strangely so many on these online sites? Anything with a rake back is rigged, because it has already determined a percentage with which you will lose with. While that percentage is further affected from somebody holding a much better percentage. This is why you the player is constantly getting sucked out, or are being dealt the same kickers hand, after hand, after hand. Or cards that you would probably fold being that they are total muck constantly are constantly being dealt to you. Your range is always missing on cards that logically should hit alot more often then they will ever do. Or you are being dealt draws which never ever connect at all. Every one of their tournaments heavily favour the stacks. To the point that the stack will win on the worst hand everytime single time. Or they will move you to a different table against the massive stack where your will lose. Or you miss 3 hands during the move, or are blinded twice, and miss your deal position etc. They deal so many action hands almost everyhand is paired against another hand. Meaning if you are playing the hand no mater what cards you are holding most often it will have simulated a hand for you to play out. Example A/K v pocket pair, or a pocket pair is v another pocket pair. Straight flop, two pair flop, trips flop, v fullhouse, higher straight, or higher trips, or a backdoor flush.

    If this isn't enough to convince from the start that it isn't rigged there are plenty more reason which aren't proven.

    The software itself has no math, percentages, or proability, to those hands it deals for you. Because it has already determined your lost to win ratios, and this affect by the website choice. The worst hands which are dominated to 18% preflop on 2 or 3 outs win alot noticeably. Examples A/10 v A/3. Or AA v 66. The 3 or the 6 will win. Or when you are holding 2 pairs from the flop they are rivered by the house, trips, or flush. Examples. I have Jh/10d v Ac/4c. The flop is Jd/10c/4s, Turn 6c river is 2c. Or. Kh/10h v 77. The flop is Kc/10d/8/h turn is 8c, river is 7. Or I am holding As/Ks v 7h/8d. the flop is Ad/5/c/3s turn is 4s river is 6c. Often when flopping the nut staright. I am being rivered by a fullhouse or backdoor flush. Example. The buyin was a stage free ticket for 30 dollars because of much advancement in the stage winner was 3k first place. In my first few hands. I had Kh/10s v 9d/10d. I raised a sixth of my stack. I was called by a blind. Flop Ah/Q/d/Jc. Allin from 9d/10d I call. Turn was 4d, river was 8d. Or playing the sunday million a few places from the bubble. I had Ah/Ks Im in dealer I raise 1/3 or my large stack 3k out of 9k. The big blind calls he has less then 1/3 of his stack remaining @1200 chips. Flop As/Kc/4d. Big checks I stupidly check to trap he hasn't got many chips left I am hoping he would bet. Turn is a 3c he puts me allin. I call he had 3/3. Next hand I am dealt K/K v A/A. So much for my million this happened to me right after the tables break'ed. These sites are constantly dealing trips or better hand after hand. You will be lucky to see the single pair win on them. More often then not trips or better are the most common hand, unless you are playing heads up.

    In 10 hands I have seen fullhouse, fullhouse, trips, straight, straight, fullhouse, flush, quads, flush, trips. Another game I was in, quads were dealt for 4 hands in a row twice to 1 player and the other two times to 2 different players. Another time a player got 3 fullhouses in a row from pockets. Another time a player got a different back door flush 3 times in a row, spades, hearts, then clubs. This obviously isn't rigged?

    Anything can happen in poker, but Holdem poker is a game of logic. There is math, probability, and hand percentages. These often play out in a live environment, or you will get that single bad beat often from playing stupidly or being just plain unlucky. Online even if you play tight and play well, you are rewarded with bad beat after bad beat to the point of devestation. Bulls... managing your bankroll what a fracking con. Why, is it constantly dealing out the 3 out of 4 cards everyhand which are always in play? What does a dead hand mean? Online there is no such thing, every card is in play most of the time and they will likely river you. Pre-Determining a percentage for you to lose or sometimes win with. This percentage has been further modified by that websites operators, bots, or supposed "pro's" who have a higher winning percentage over yours, away from the poker hand odds.

    It makes me so sick, to think there is not a single honest game online. They aren't content with taking the money off the table's rake and their very bad exchange rates. They then have to go steal, and cheat as well. I really do wish, that online poker was banned. We would have more live leagues and venues. If not a big huge nuke for all of their corrupted servers....

    The world really needs to grow up, in this online age banning and policing them properly. Stopping these from sponsering sports. After this years scandals only further prove their fixing.
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    Hi Boi

    Sadly I'm not hearing or seeing any analysis in your post, just tons of emotional distress and rhetoric to help sensationalise your viewpoints. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend online poker, I want he "truth" just as much as the next man, it's just that I have long since "matured" from the levels of whining and whinging about bad beats and hooky cards and instead determined to actually go crunch the numbers that concern all the hands I'd been dealt.
    You see you are using statements like :

    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33
    They are getting dealt the winning hands almost everyhand
    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33
    Or cards that you would probably fold being that they are total muck constantly are constantly being dealt to you
    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33
    Or you are being dealt draws which never ever connect at all
    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33
    To the point that the stack will win on the worst hand everytime single time.
    These statement are obviously just not true. You ARE getting good hands as well as rags. You ARE being dealt draws that DO sometimes hit. You DO win hands against the big stack in tournaments.

    So as with all these kind of posts, we come back to the fundamental need for each poster to challenge themselves openly and honestly to DO THE ANALYSIS of their hand histories to answer the questions. Go see what % of hands you get dealt pocket pairs, go see the % of times your flush draws hit and so on. With that data then come back and demonstrate that your rigged ideas still hold true. I will predict now that they won't. The analysis always shows the cards are not rigged. That doesn't mean the game isn't hooky. It just means it's not done through card rigging but more likely through player collusion, BOTS, superusers and so on.

    Do you have PokerTracker or other analysis software? If not, consider getting it to prove to yourself one way or the other what the real truth is here. GL.
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    agree totally boi33,its a scam and a joke ,I love the ones who take up for it!!! there employed by the sites and get paid to join forums and anti post,its so funny vegas casinos have thousands of cameras in them and cant stop cheating,then u got online where u cant see what the site or the player is doing behind the scenes and they cant cheat online right??? lmao so knieve!!!! sure they can hack the pentagon but never a poker site ? lmao,its comical,,,,,,, I don't want this kind of poker I want poker that is realistic this is not,i just watched aa get dealt 5 times on the tbls I was on in a trny on carbon all 5 were allin preflop against 1 other hand and aa lost all 5 times ............don't make it legal until they can be made to run realistic RNGs
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    Nonsense Realist. I will rarely win against the stack in every tournament played, I will get sucked out to less then 25% preflop, the flop to river even when I am ahead I will get sucked out to 10% or less. If I am dealt any pockets or A/K guaranteed somebody has got higher pocket the same hand or the stacks will hit trips everytime.

    I have analysied every history in depth to see that trips or higher are being dealt 80% or more, my win rate is about 2%, and with every cooler I am hugely favourite on to get sucked out, being dealt hang man cards designed so I will lose, my bad beats are sickening and will I be hit with so many whenever I make the slightest profit.

    You can buy in easy enough to every poker website god forid you try to cash out though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33 View Post
    Nonsense Realist. I will rarely win against the stack in every tournament played
    Here you go again using vague words that continually iterate you haven't done the analysis. What the hell does "rarely" win against the stack mean? This is simple. You play X number of hands in a tourney. You win Y number of hands against a bigger stack and you lose Z number of hands. From this you get a simple percentage figure based on FACT not SUPPOSITION. Given you play so much poker, how is it you can't see the importance of just crunching these numbers seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33 View Post
    I will get sucked out to less then 25% preflop, the flop to river even when I am ahead I will get sucked out to 10% or less. If I am dealt any pockets or A/K guaranteed somebody has got higher pocket the same hand or the stacks will hit trips everytime.
    Utter utter BS and you know it. These are crazy statements that destroy any credibility you are trying to achieve here. You're saying that EVERY SINGLE TIME you've EVER been dealt a pocket pair, someone else has been dealt a higher pocket pair?!!! That is total nonsense and you know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boi33 View Post
    I have analysied every history in depth to see that trips or higher are being dealt 80% or more
    Sorry but I don't believe this at the moment because of some of the terms you are using and some of the crazy statements. Please put up some charts of your hand history analysis. Let's start with the basic chart of hand types dealt and go from there.
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    Boi33 is offline Conspiracist
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    I am talking about tourneys. The stack constantly wins making them the stack, on everything no matter what cards they hold with winrates of to 80% of the time. Generally at the break some these stacks start to lose. 80% of the time my A/K is paired against lower pockets and that 80% of the time they lose. If I win I moved right away to a stacks table where I get sucked out. I have pocket AA somebody else will have a lower pockets and somebody else will be holding suited or connected and they call and for the most part I lose in every touranment from an allin preflop with them. On bets that represent 1/4 - 1/3 of my stack as a raise they will 3 bet with 2/3 or total crap then I 4 bet allin and I lose for the most part. When I hold pockets the guy sitting next to me has also got pockets or A/K almost everyhand. My history confirms the abnormal occurances of the same kickers everyhand repeatedly being more so then any other card.

    Admittedly I was a bit generous with trips or higher but for the most part it is bad real bad, 10 hands often look like trips,trips,fullhouse,straight,fullhouse,two pair,high card,trips,flush,flush. Mostly it is very lucky to see the single pair win. Is this holdem poker, or the arcade machine of trips or better? Every card of 4 cards is in play for the most part everyhand making it total bingo there is no strategy here, you cannot play logical poker.
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    Going to set up a dedicated thread for your experiences and woes as it's purile tryong to discuss this across 6 separate threads. Hope you agree.

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