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    Succeeding In $25 And Lower Mtts

    WHAT NOT TO DO IN ORDER TO BEAT 80% OF THE FIELD 75% OF THE TIME IN $25 AND LOWER BUY-IN MTTS

    I've played in well over 2,000 tourneys of this general type. I've noticed pretty much that they follow the '80-20' rule. Seems like during the first 75% of the tourney, 80% of the chips are lost in a similar fashion. If you avoid these situations - if you just DON'T DONK YOUR CHIPS OFF IN THESE WAYS, you can get into the top 20% of the field 80% of the time?. The 80-20 rule both ways. 80% of the chips are lost in 20% of the ways. Don't do that, and you finish in the top 20% of the field 80% of the time.

    Sure, you can learn a lot from great players in any sport about what to do. But you can also learn from people who suck, what not to do ? and those players are always more available to learn from!

    So, here are my list of 5 no-no's. During the first half of the tourney, just don't donk off large amounts of your stack in this fashion, and you are good to go. If you wanna donk them of, find some other way. Here are the big 5 that appear to be the cause of 80% of the losing chips in the early/mid stages in the $25 and lower online buy-ins:

    In no particular order - not in order of importance. Here are my ?5 commandments for early/mid play in these buy-ins.

    1. I will not slowplay big pairs preflop
    2. I will not go broke with AK after I whiff on the flop.
    3. I will not go broke by attempting senseless bluffs
    4. I will not go broke with underpairs to the board
    5. I will not go broke calling with bare flush or straight draws


    1. SLOWPLAYING PREFLOP - I laugh my ass off every time I see some idiot limp from the 2 hole with AA or KK and then lose a 5-way pot. Whenever I look up one of these people on OPR or something, they are almost always a big % loser. Don't do it.
    2. GOING BROKE WITH AK AFTER YOU WHIFF ON FLOP ? ok, be aggressive preflop with AK. Heck, even shove if you want. Certainly, try your continuation bet. But really, after you whiff, try to buy the pot and don't succeed, will you please GO AWAY and wait for another spot? Don't go broke with it. Please realize that if you don't connect, what you now have is NOTHING.
    3. SENSELESS BLUFFS - stop it. Never mind trying to run complicated bluffs. If you are going to make a bluff, make sure that it MAKES SENSE. At any level, the key to successful bluffing is that the bluff must make sense. The goal is to deceive, not confuse. A bluff that doesn't make sense will confuse, and a confused player almost always calls. This is why it's hard to bluff idiots - they are easily confused.
    4. UNDERPAIRS TO THE BOARD : please, stop donking off your stack with this crap. Even a decent pair, like Q or J. It amazes me how often people end up going broke raising with something like 10-10, they get called by 2 people, the flop comes with an A and a Q, and they simply refuse to believe that either one of them has an overcard. Same with little pairs. You wanna see flops, fine. You wanna shove them hoping for a race, fine. But give them up once you don't flop.
    5. CALLING WITH DRAWS - again, it amazes me how many people at this level and lower simply do not understand the difference between betting with a draw and calling with a draw. They will call all in for all or most of their stack relatively early on in the tourney and then claim "I had outs". Don't do it. You wanna bet with draws, fine. You wanna shove, fine. You wanna raise, fine. STOP CALLING.

    Well, that's it. You wanna get to the final 20% of the field a good of the time? It's not what you do - it's what you DON'T DO. And just don't lose your chips the way most of these donks are losing them, and you are ahead of the game.
    Last edited by Captain Truth; 09-13-2008 at 10:07 PM. Reason: typos from James moving this post

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    Nice post. James could learn a few tricks from that.
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    iv gotta say this is a very good post! I also agree with all the points, i think MTT's are very much ABC poker with 25$ and below which is a shame because there is not too much play in it. $50 tournaments you still get your fair share of donks especially in the 50k garentued tounies on stars

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    Great post. I have to agree with all 5 commandments and I have similar rules like this that I stick to. It's pretty much just play ABC poker. Play honest poker. Don't get tricky against donks and calling stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litellio View Post
    Nice post. James could learn a few tricks from that.
    what are you trying to say?!?!

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    time to get out the ol' ban stick lol
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    Is this what you mean by slow playing premiums Captain Truth?

    I put him on slow played over pockets by the river. I also had my doubts on the flop so I was going to just check call down.

    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pates11380 [ ]
    melodrama3: folds
    JSharkhunter: folds
    goldberg2: calls $0.50
    burtsi: folds
    FakieThis: folds
    hmk-4: folds
    JO3 WHIT3: folds
    pates11380: raises $1.50 to $2
    karlitos82: folds
    goldberg2: calls $1.50
    *** FLOP *** [ ]
    pates11380: bets $3
    goldberg2: raises $5 to $8
    pates11380: calls $5
    *** TURN *** [ ] []
    pates11380: checks
    goldberg2: bets $5
    pates11380: calls $5
    *** RIVER *** [ ] []
    pates11380: bets $25
    goldberg2: calls $25
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    pates11380: shows [ ] (four of a kind, Tens)
    goldberg2: mucks [ ]
    pates11380 collected $77.50 from pot

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    Personally, I think ABC Poker is a good start for these but when it gets down to 4 or 5 handed the rulebook must go out the window and what becomes more sound is not poker strategy but SNG strategy. Knowing when to raise to steal blinds with utter trash shorthanded is a way to pick up cheaps easily. Picking up these small pots that no one wants adds up. By the times the blinds get larger people tighten up for some strange reason and blind stealing will be the difference between regular cashing and regular wins. By all means in the early stages of SnG's ABC poker is the only way to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickboy View Post
    Personally, I think ABC Poker is a good start for these but when it gets down to 4 or 5 handed the rulebook must go out the window and what becomes more sound is not poker strategy but SNG strategy. Knowing when to raise to steal blinds with utter trash shorthanded is a way to pick up cheaps easily. Picking up these small pots that no one wants adds up. By the times the blinds get larger people tighten up for some strange reason and blind stealing will be the difference between regular cashing and regular wins. By all means in the early stages of SnG's ABC poker is the only way to play.
    100% agree. ABC poker should be played at low stakes and you will usually cash very regular with this strategy. I do think that players nit up on the bubble of SNGs and you can really dominate the table by stealing blinds. The moment you're CL you can start really bullying the nits and putting it on them to call their whole stack to play the hand.

    I moved up to $13 6max games and noticed absolutely no change in players abilities. Even had a few goes at $25 6max and I busted out in hilariously bad moves from my opponents. I.E some guy was stealing almost every orbit and I repopped all in with 15bbs on the bubble with . He snapped with and flopped trip 7s. You really can get away with playing tight but you need to make moves to steal big pots as the blinds get bigger, you can't hang around.

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    I think stealing blinds late in mtts or on the bubble in a sng is the difference between being happy cashing and making the final table and top 3. If i go deep in a tourny and do not finish in the top 3 i consider it a disapointment so stealing blinds and antes becomes huge in getting deeper.

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