A really rather arkward spot with TP+FD on the turn OOP against a rocky nit

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

Well villain is running at 11/3 with an AF 2.5ish over 66 hands he has yet to 3bet. The raise pre is pretty standard and I thought the vast majority of the time I would get the button and lets face it Q9s is a hand really.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by http://weaktight.com/

Stacks:
UTG Phoenix0610 $4.70
CO Hero $11.26
BTN Borftenaar5 $10.73
SB xXsideshowXx $2.72
BB ahblaze041 $12.69

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, Borftenaar5 calls $0.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.47, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, Borftenaar5 raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.35

On the flop I put rocky nit on something like 22,33,AJ,QQ with the odd AsKs maybe AsTs draw and maybe a splaterring ok KJ (if he evens plays that), I decide I have odds to call like getting over 3 to 1 on the turn.

Turn: ($1.87, 2 players)
Hero checks, Borftenaar5 bets $1.20,

I didn't like that bet at all, but I liked the card as I am now ahead of AJ/KJ? But truth be told I think I truely hated my options here a) raising feels like aids as I do beat AJ/higher flush draw but feel he folds that to a raise and am drawing to like 8 outs against a set. b) folding feels like syphilis as hell I do have equity in the hand c) feels like hepititis because I've got to decide what the hell I am doing with a bet on the river.

I decided to go with the least harmful disease and called.

My main question is what do you guys do on the turn, donking a possibility?

My secondary question is there any other part of the line you would amend?

[Pates]

Once you checked surely it was to check raise and not to check call. Personally I just lead out on the turn. Sorry, I'll answer to this later just flopped top 2 pair against royal flush. Rivered a boat for a kick in the teeth.

Continue debate...

[bizkit]

I don't think you can do anything differently for the most part. I think the check raise option is horrible on the turn so when you check you're doing so with the intention of calling. He's probably checking back most of the hands you are still ahead of like AJ. Depending on how much he folds to flop cbet(especially if its low) I may check the flop.

[Pates]

After reading this again I would definitely steer towards leading the turn. If he raises you again then he is absolutely massive and if it's a min raise again then you're getting huge odds to stack him. I also think your hand range may be giving him too much credit. You can't truelly say he is a nit after 66 hands.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

After reading this again I would definitely steer towards leading the turn. If he raises you again then he is absolutely massive and if it's a min raise again then you're getting huge odds to stack him. I also think your hand range may be giving him too much credit. You can't truelly say he is a nit after 66 hands.

I undestand my read is hardly rock solid, but I trust to it to the extent that he is likely to be tight pre flop but show some aggression on the flop. It also suggests by the 11/3 that he there is probably a large part of his value range he does not 3bet pre, which is why I wouldn't be shocked to see QQ here.

If I lead and he folds out AJ/KJ I lose because I'm like super ahead fo that part of the range, like 4outs ahead. If he raises me all-in with a set I can't do anything but fold, I guess he could repeat the old min raise thing, but I see the pot at a crucial stage where it's not too big to be out of control, if I lead I feel I might lose that or slow him down.

Man this hand really did confuse me and being 200bbs deep makes it so much harder aswell.

[JD3lta]

My guess is he has top pair jj.. He didn't let it go, on turn you could of smoothed because your check hide your queen and put u on a flush draw in his eyes, which means he might have 1 spade so your ahead, If you smoothed turn you get his bet if you raise he might fold and u get his bet or donk call, which is possible if he fears u have flush draw.. That's the angle i'd use there.. He had top pair and didnt want to let it go

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

My guess is he has top pair jj.. He didn't let it go, on turn you could of smoothed because your check hide your queen and put u on a flush draw in his eyes, which means he might have 1 spade so your ahead, If you smoothed turn you get his bet if you raise he might fold and u get his bet or donk call, which is possible if he fears u have flush draw.. That's the angle i'd use there.. He had top pair and didnt want to let it go

You know what JDelta, You're absolutely right here.

[bizkit]

I undestand my read is hardly rock solid, but I trust to it to the extent that he is likely to be tight pre flop but show some aggression on the flop. It also suggests by the 11/3 that he there is probably a large part of his value range he does not 3bet pre, which is why I wouldn't be shocked to see QQ here.

If I lead and he folds out AJ/KJ I lose because I'm like super ahead fo that part of the range, like 4outs ahead. If he raises me all-in with a set I can't do anything but fold, I guess he could repeat the old min raise thing, but I see the pot at a crucial stage where it's not too big to be out of control, if I lead I feel I might lose that or slow him down.

Man this hand really did confuse me and being 200bbs deep makes it so much harder aswell.

Check call once we get to the turn is probably the optimal option. I'm probably leading a large number of rivers. If I miss the FD I'm probably leading significantly smaller than if i hit it.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

Turn: Qh ($1.87, 2 players)
Hero checks, Borftenaar5 bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: Ad ($4.27, 2 players)
Hero checks, Borftenaar5 checks

Final Pot: $4.27
Hero shows a pair of Queens
9s Qs
Borftenaar5 shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
Jc Ah

Borftenaar5 wins $4.07 (net +$1.97)

Hero lost $2.10

Yea I think I was going to lead a brick but that ace was a not a brick for his range. Jdelta was correct he must have put me solely on a flush draw/super tarp monster to not value bet. To be fair though I was c/f that river everyday of the week.

[JD3lta]

Given u put him on top pair and you have the draw and that queen, It's safe to hamer on the turn there and to not of smoothed after seeing the river card being exactly what you didn't want it to be. Gotta face facts he saw the river rather cheaply. I'm gonna have to remember this- like u had to expose hand strength sometime and the turn is as good a place as any.