$8rebuy Deep with Big Draw

[Pates]

This guy was fairly loose preflop. No idea about how he played post.

Seat 1: Kubaner1 (107828 in chips)
Seat 3: hsv81becks (618203 in chips)
Seat 4: pates11380 (721055 in chips)
Seat 5: ricci269 (450198 in chips)
Seat 6: cosmoba (205304 in chips)
Seat 7: Rente&salær (315326 in chips)
Seat 8: OURIEL7777 (488157 in chips)
Seat 9: dimunya (294596 in chips)
Kubaner1: posts the ante 1600
hsv81becks: posts the ante 1600
pates11380: posts the ante 1600
ricci269: posts the ante 1600
cosmoba: posts the ante 1600
Rente&salær: posts the ante 1600
OURIEL7777: posts the ante 1600
dimunya: posts the ante 1600
OURIEL7777: posts small blind 8000
dimunya: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pates11380 [ ]
Kubaner1: folds
hsv81becks: folds
pates11380: raises 23500 to 39500
ricci269: folds
cosmoba: folds
Rente&salær: folds
OURIEL7777: calls 31500
dimunya: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
OURIEL7777: checks
pates11380: bets 59500
OURIEL7777: raises 59500 to 119000
pates11380: ???

[JD3lta]

It's the what if game, what if hes got a ****ty hand what if he's got a good hand, I dunno, he prob has a straight draw and thinks he has same odds as you? If your lucky he has AA or 3ofak, don't think an unknown would reraise- such as flush draw

[bridgey321]

UTG+2 I probs just fold this pre personally. I think we just have to stick it in here, rep some serious strength and hope he folds. if not we are still pretty big.

[Pates]

I was getting away with murder mate and noone was playing back at me. So I was raising a lot and chipping up pretty nicely.

[aamir6433]

Can't see villian folding to a shove after check raising. Especially since you said hardly anyone was playing back at you. I'd be flatting here, his small c/r is so fishy but suggests he likes his hand usually and i personally think you can stack him if you hit your draw. I reckon flatting is better since shoving risks a lot of your stack when you've got no info on how light villian might call.

[eldave1]

He check raises you the min - that screams set to me especially since he called the opening bet. I cannot imaging he has a hand like TP TK and did not bet out with the obvious draws on the board. So, in my view you have to ask yourself - if I fire, will he fold. If you put him on a set - the answer is no - he is shoving back. My personal belief is that the worst hand you are looking at here is the nut draw - but my gut tells me he just calls your raise if that is what he has.

Before you waste money flat calling you have to answer the question - what are you going to do if the turn does not make your hand? If the answer is you are going to fold to a bet - fold now.

If I counted right - you were looking at 13 outs (9 clubs + the gutter less the gutter club). You are about 50% IF you are willing to go to the river. Half that (around 25%) if you folding on the turn.

So - your 85K or so in - he has about 400K - if you are playing the hand for the flip you are playing for more then half your stack - for me - I swallow the 85K I lost and live for another day

[bizkit]

Definitely flatting or pushing(or maybe 3betting but not all in to make it appear stronger)

Basically the two main factors for me are: how tight do you estimate his range to be? how much table bullying you can do? The tighter the opponent the more you can get paid off when you hit and less the fold equity a push has so its better for calling. The more table bullying you can do successfully the more you should be inclined to call just to reduce the probability of you losing a pot for the implied stacks.

[ccottis]

No way you can fold unless you think they have NFD which seems unlikely to me only really that makes sense.
pot is ~300k with ~60k to call so you pretty much have the odds to call even if you put them on a set (in which case you have 11 outs: 8 clubs and three tens but they have re-draws if you hit)
Don't think you fold out anything but a bluff if you raise here so I would take the nice odds he's given.

[joejoe1337]

literally am laughing that someone suggested folding.

All of my money is already in the middle

Also, raise pre is fine