Fold Equity

[Pates]

Standard line on this flop? If I shove him he's getting almost exactly 2 to 1 and we can be pretty sure he has 77-TT/flush draw. Might have a set but 66 is extremely unlikely. Can we bet fold on that flop?

We're pretty deep which is a problem. Personally I think his pot control absolutely stinks. But once he has 2-bet and we actually have fold equity by shoving, can we really bet fold? Dirty big pot with the hands considered.

Can we really fold it when we have fold equity? And even if he's only getting 2 to 1, does his 2-bet mean he's never ever mucking.

Seat 1: choub364 (5480 in chips)
Seat 2: cervo23 (2955 in chips)
Seat 3: HCL1969 (7040 in chips)
Seat 4: BadBeat13 (10425 in chips)
Seat 5: jimdog-007 (6775 in chips)
Seat 6: pates11380 (8200 in chips)
Seat 7: Cobber666 (5355 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Aleksey54 (2380 in chips)
Seat 9: BoedhaSimon (8257 in chips)
choub364: posts the ante 15
cervo23: posts the ante 15
HCL1969: posts the ante 15
BadBeat13: posts the ante 15
jimdog-007: posts the ante 15
pates11380: posts the ante 15
Cobber666: posts the ante 15
Aleksey54: posts the ante 15
BoedhaSimon: posts the ante 15
cervo23: posts small blind 60
HCL1969: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pates11380 [ ]
BadBeat13: folds
jimdog-007: folds
pates11380: raises 200 to 320
Cobber666: folds
Aleksey54: folds
BoedhaSimon: calls 320
choub364: folds
cervo23: folds
HCL1969: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [ ]
HCL1969: checks
pates11380: bets 695
BoedhaSimon: raises 1540 to 2235
HCL1969: folds
pates11380: raises 5630 to 7865 and is all-in

[bridgey321]

His raise looks pretty strong.

Doesn't look like he's going to be raise-folding. Therefore I don't really think we have fold equity here. You can stick it in and hope to run good to win a 30%er

I'm a sooper nit and just fold this pre. UTG+2 meh. If we are Mid/late position I raise fo'sho.

[Pates]

Been watching sheets and johnnybax too much on xfactor. I forget that they rarely play $11rebuys. I'm just surprised he called me with what he had. But then again I'm also surprised he 2-bet with what he had.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

I don't like it, as you only have TP+GS, I think you have more than 30% but not like loads more

Board: 6h 3h 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.388% 31.83% 00.56% 14181 248.00 { 6c5c }
Hand 1: 67.612% 67.05% 00.56% 29873 248.00 { JJ-66, 33-22, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah2h }

and yea no FE, I personally would not be playing this hand from almost any position unless the table was tight and I believed I'm getting most of my chips by getting them to fold anyway, I think baby SC's are frequently overplayed.

[bridgey321]

Been watching sheets and johnnybax too much on xfactor. I forget that they rarely play $11rebuys. I'm just surprised he called me with what he had. But then again I'm also surprised he 2-bet with what he had.

A6/67/77-99 then??

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

It would be ridiculous especially in a rebuy format to 2bet/fold anything of substance.

[Pates]

This was post rebuy. I just fail to see how he ever thought he was ahead. He still has to be right 33% of the time. In his shoes I think 2-bet folding is probably the right move. He has f/all outs so much of the time.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

This was post rebuy. I just fail to see how he ever thought he was ahead. He still has to be right 33% of the time. In his shoes I think 2-bet folding is probably the right move. He has f/all outs so much of the time.

What did he have btw?

[thefairy]

ak???????????

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

ak???????????

I thnk he was ahead of pates though.