Call or Fold Semi Deep

[Pates]

Really not sure what to do here. Weird.

PokerStars Game #35535857534: Tournament #229010493, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (350/700) - 2009/11/18 21:45:38 WET [2009/11/18 16:45:38 ET]
Table '229010493 226' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jammy_bugger (7039 in chips)
Seat 2: Inna500 (15765 in chips)
Seat 3: tysgran (15371 in chips)
Seat 4: pates11380 (63643 in chips)
Seat 5: bantervan (22401 in chips)
Seat 7: Marcel2991 (17496 in chips)
Seat 8: FreddyLBS (8054 in chips)
Seat 9: cemo81 (8995 in chips)
pates11380: posts small blind 350
bantervan: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pates11380 [ ]
Marcel2991: folds
FreddyLBS: folds
cemo81: folds
jammy_bugger: folds
Inna500: folds
tysgran: folds
pates11380: raises 1400 to 2100
bantervan: calls 1400
*** FLOP *** [ ]
pates11380: bets 3100
Mr.Lesnar is connected
bantervan: raises 17116 to 20216 and is all-in
pates11380: ???

[aamir6433]

It'd be a tough call to make. But i do think a fd would show up a lot of the time here. I've found it's actually not that uncommon to see people betting way more than pot with draws, especially live, and it's always for all their chips. It's so seethrough infact when they do it. Less so here though.

[tan_man25]

It'd be a tough call to make. But i do think a fd would show up a lot of the time here. I've found it's actually not that uncommon to see people betting way more than pot with draws, especially live, and it's always for all their chips. It's so seethrough infact when they do it. Less so here though.

This. As soon as I saw the hand, I put him on a FD. He folds out so many hands by shipping a draw. I think in this situation you gotta, take a big breath and then call.

[Blue-Emu]

Given your stack size, folding is probably the best option.

Of course this is dependent on earlier observations (assuming you've been at the same table for a while).

Would he have just called your raise with AJ or KJ?

How did he accumulate his chips?

Being in the BB and only facing a small blind push his range of hands could be wide.

If he's been aggressive he could easily be pushing with any pair. A call against such a player tends to be correct the majority of the time.

If he's been a rock who's chipped up by catching cards it's an easy fold.

[bridgey321]

You have a backdoor - SCHNAP!

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

I think call this is BvB.

[nickstrick1]

I just wrote out a paragraph on why this is a fold, and then changed my mind at the end. Definitely a call, as bridgey says- backdoors are the future. I don't think you're outkicked here, he probably has J10 or a draw/combi-draw. He's got a big enough stack to get you off hands like JQ... he's semi-bluff shoving and you are ahead...

...imo!

[thefairy]

errr fold.... we are possibly the most stationy forum on the interwebz. seriously.

[bizkit]

errr fold.... we are possibly the most stationy forum on the interwebz. seriously.

it's blind vs blind; the implied stack to pot ratio is < 5
most hands that would have us beat would have re-raised preflop
there are many semi-bluff hands we're ahead of.

So, it becomes a sigh-call for me. I'm not overly happy about the situation but even if I lose the pot I still have a good stack.

[JD3lta]

What did you do, we know you should of folded.. Did u buy the puke??