Semi-deep $3 MTT spot

[bridgey321]

Sorry don't have HH

About 60-70 runners left.
Blinds 600/1.2k w/antes.
I'm about 10/60-70 with 125k(ish)
Table is 8handed
UTG
Raise to 2.75k
At this point I should point out that I have been very active at the table so my UTG raise isn't going to get particularly much respect
MP raises to 8.8k
Vill had also been very active and had 3bet me twice in about 4/5 orbits at the table. He also has me covered (just about)

What do we do??

[aamir6433]

I'd be 4betting. This seems better than flatting - we're oop against an aggressive player and most importantly this'll help prevent any 3-betting us light in the future if we're trying to run over the table.

[tan_man25]

I'd be 4betting. This seems better than flatting - we're oop against an aggressive player and most importantly this'll help prevent any 3-betting us light in the future if we're trying to run over the table.

I kind of agree with this, but am not sure what we'd do if he 5-bet ships after we 4-bet? We are way too deep too call a ship.

Tricky spot bridgey.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

If we are not willing to get this is in I really don't like a 4bet, personally I would 4bet/call.

If you feel his 3bet range is wide but is never going to 5bet bluff you with Axs just call and c/r a lot of flops including Axx and Kxx flops. At the end of the day 4bet folding this IS AIDS.

[nickstrick1]

At the end of the day 4bet folding this IS AIDS.

..not this!!!

[Pates]

4-bet calling isn't a bad idea at all but kinda sucks being that deep. Smooth calling his 3-bet out of position is very dodgy but I think you have the implied odds of this donk spazzing out and paying off heavily when you hit.

If you 4-bet, do not ever fold as said above.

[bridgey321]

Ok thanks for the input guy (i was just waiting until our resident MTT pro commented )

Basically it seems like everyone agrees with me that this spot is pretty horrible.
- 4betting means we will potentially have to call a 5bet shove which means getting 100+bbs in pre with AK which is kinda ****.
- flatting the 3bet means having to play out of position and having to c/f any non A/K flop.
- folding is sooo weak.

Basically I 4bet to about 27k, but didn't even consider what I was going to do if he 5bet shoved. Which he did. I tanked and couldn't bring myself to call off like 80bbs with AK in a $3 where I still believe I have a decent edge with semi deep stacks.

So i 4bet/folded which is apparently aids. But 4bet/calling 80bbs more also seems fckin horrible.

I Final tabled anyway so lulz

Conclusion: Very **** spot, but next time I will consider my next action before 4betting like this. Ty!

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

..not this!!!

Sorry, please don't tell me you're putting in like a quater of our stack just to see whether he has KK/AA or not, this is like so awful.

- 4betting means we will potentially have to call a 5bet shove which means getting 100+bbs in pre with AK which is kinda ****.

THEN DON'T REOPEN THE BETTING ROUND, CLOSE IT.

- flatting the 3bet means having to play out of position and having to c/f any non A/K flop.

Do we? I mean c'mon, c/ring flops like T97 seems sexy assuming villain has a fold button. We can attacks monotone boards with some success, we c/r Axx and Kxx for values, I mean we have a deep enough stack to actually play poker here.

So what he calls the 4bet how do you feel now?

Basically I 4bet to about 27k, but didn't even consider what I was going to do if he 5bet shoved. Which he did. I tanked and couldn't bring myself to call off like 80bbs with AK in a $3 where I still believe I have a decent edge with semi deep stacks.

Would you be in there with QQ then?

So i 4bet/folded which is apparently aids. But 4bet/calling 80bbs more also seems fckin horrible.

It is aids, villain can rape you with Axs like so hard it needs that random black rapist jpg next to this.

Conclusion: Very **** spot, but next time I will consider my next action before 4betting like this. Ty!

The bolded part is exactly correct, sorry to be a douche an all but you should see him shoving over your 4bet as a VERY REALISTIC POSSIBILITY.

[Pates]

Reminds me of my 3 handed situation with AK. I 3-bet and he shoved for over 100bbs. For me, I definitely thought I could have better spots (even though I ended up busting like a donk) than getting like somewhere around 55% equity.

You 4-bet small enough that you let yourself get away from it. You should just committ more next time... He may well of 5-bet you light.

[bridgey321]

You seem to be implying that he is very capable of doing this light. Which I'm not sure he is to be honest.

I actually think that 4bet-folding > 4bet-calling because I didn't think he'd be doing it light (ie QQ+/(AK)). (Extra info = The speed he did it implied that he didn't have to think about shoving.) Although this is the very reason that I shouldn't have 4bet in the first place, point taken.

c/raising Axx boards for value vs what hands?? AQ/AJ??
c/raising Kxx boards for value vs what hands?? KQ??

Not sure what I do with QQ. tbh. Is there much difference when you stove it vs his range (which I reckon is something like QQ+/AK)

Yea you are being a bit of a 'douche' (fckin hate that word btw lulz) but w/e I know it's a **** spot and knew that I played it far from optimally, is why i posted it. Then again I certainly don't think what you suggested (4bet/calling) is optimal. I believe the edge I think I have at this stage in a ssmtt is enough to avoid getting +100bb in pre with AK. Also dno how much tourney play you've done so unsure how much to take your comments on board.

On reflection and discussion I think the 'optimum' strategy here is to flat and play from there. Although i actually think this isn't great. Far from ideal situation.