just moved up to nl25, interested to hear your thoughts.

[thefairy]

***** Hand History for Game 38012905342 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 11, 04:26:52 ET 2010
Table Aethusa III (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Deurwaarder ( $26.55 USD )
Seat 2: halmrcs ( $19.35 USD )
Seat 3: mrspooh_ftw ( $33.15 USD )
Seat 4: g0fer ( $25.00 USD )
Seat 5: carterj1800 ( $44.55 USD )
Seat 6: kergkecske ( $28.00 USD )
kergkecske posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Deurwaarder posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mrspooh_ftw [ ]
halmrcs folds
mrspooh_ftw raises [$0.75 USD]
g0fer folds
carterj1800 raises [$2.25 USD]
kergkecske folds
Deurwaarder folds
mrspooh_ftw raises [$6.25 USD]
carterj1800 raises [$10.75 USD]
mrspooh_ftw ???????????

Guy is running 46/34 with a 3bet of 46%!!

What the **** do i do here?
Do i lose value by shoving here? am i only getting called by 2 hands?

[thefairy]

***** Hand History for Game 37983366368 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 11, 01:40:17 ET 2010
Table Eudora (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 2: ngarina ( $25.35 USD )
Seat 3: Saxonblue ( $39.80 USD )
Seat 4: Dankgrundle ( $25.10 USD )
Seat 5: mrspooh_ftw ( $25.95 USD )
Seat 6: Cueballmania ( $46.80 USD )
Dankgrundle posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
mrspooh_ftw posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mrspooh_ftw [ ]
Cueballmania folds
ngarina raises [$0.75 USD]
Saxonblue folds
Dankgrundle folds
mrspooh_ftw raises [$2.00 USD]
ngarina calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
mrspooh_ftw checks
ngarina bets [$3.00 USD]
mrspooh_ftw raises [$9.25 USD]
ngarina raises [$20.10 USD]
mrspooh_ftw calls [$13.85 USD]

you like this?

[Pates]

***** Hand History for Game 37983366368 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 11, 01:40:17 ET 2010
Table Eudora (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 2: ngarina ( $25.35 USD )
Seat 3: Saxonblue ( $39.80 USD )
Seat 4: Dankgrundle ( $25.10 USD )
Seat 5: mrspooh_ftw ( $25.95 USD )
Seat 6: Cueballmania ( $46.80 USD )
Dankgrundle posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
mrspooh_ftw posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mrspooh_ftw [ ]
Cueballmania folds
ngarina raises [$0.75 USD]
Saxonblue folds
Dankgrundle folds
mrspooh_ftw raises [$2.00 USD]
ngarina calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
mrspooh_ftw checks
ngarina bets [$3.00 USD]
mrspooh_ftw raises [$9.25 USD]
ngarina raises [$20.10 USD]
mrspooh_ftw calls [$13.85 USD]

you like this?

Maybe 3bet against UTG+1 is a bit light (unless we have information). Depends on c-bet % with the c/r on the flop. If they don't c-bet much I'd probably just lead into them, check/raise/call isn't a bad line though.

[thefairy]

50% c bet, with 5.0 aggro., cheers i think it is a valid point about looking at cbet %, cheers man

[pokethis]

first hand im guessing its a super small sample so dont really pay attention, if its over 40 hands then get it in all day long, if its under then its close, im probably getting it in anyway, on second hand you should be 3betting to much bigger, if they make it .75 you need to make it 2.50 IP and 3 OOP as minimums. 2.25 is just too small.

[thefairy]

first hand im guessing its a super small sample so dont really pay attention, if its over 40 hands then get it in all day long, if its under then its close, im probably getting it in anyway, on second hand you should be 3betting to much bigger, if they make it .75 you need to make it 2.50 IP and 3 OOP as minimums. 2.25 is just too small.

really do not get this logic, it is a small sample but how many people do you know who 3 bet their WHOLE raising range? this is hugely exploitable. i am never making it 3 bucsk oop, you are sucking the value out of queens, i like the bet for reasons il go into when hand is disected, If you read any hands i have posted up i always 3 bet more than 2.25 in most other situations, (the 8s was a bit stupid as a 3 bet size though). I am not meaning to answer my own question here, but what i am really interested in is wtf is he 5betting, surely people min 5 betting flop means i am entitled to get away as i am over 100 deep.

As far as the 8s hand is concerned im really asking about the c/r as the rest of the hand is totally straight foward.

[Gerrard48LFC]

snap shove first hand oop.

[thefairy]

snap shove first hand oop.

why? i really think hands like this is where people make/lose money easily, so i like to hear players reasonings, im actually trying to get better at this game nowdays so actually care what people think lol

[891327]

First hand, I think a shove is fine in that spot with the numbers you've on him got, its also gonna depend on what i've seen from him in terms of bet sizing tho after such a small 5-bet. If its only a really small sample of hands you've played with him tho, a fold isn't bad. You can play with him more and if his stats look the same after a bigger sample of hands you'll get plenty more good spots like this against him.

I think on the second hand 3bet needs to be bigger ($3ish), otherwise just call pre. The small 3-bet is worse than both. Action on the flop is fine, I probably prefer cbetting such a good flop for 88 most of the time tho as you're still happy getting it in if he raises.

[Pates]

1st hand is a nobrainer unless we have stats to say the guy is a complete nit. That just has to go in all day long once you've raised to $6.25. If you 4-bet fold then do it with JTdd next time!

Also, your 4-bet is actually pretty weak when OOP. I don't mind this 4-bet sizing at all if you were in position because we can control the pot more easily, but when OOP it's quite important to pot it (or close to) it here. What happened?