A live hand from £50 freezeout

[891327]

Average stack at this point was less than 20K, probably nearer 15K. Should I check behind on the flop to control the size of the pot? I thought about this hand alot and I'm still not sure but now I think I prefer checking behind on the flop cos when I bet it feels like I'm playing to get all in with a big draw which I don't think I need to. I think my bet is good if they've got less chips or if I've got less chips but considering how deep we both were I'm not sure I like it. What do other people think? It still feels like a pretty disgusting way to bust after I'd spent so long crushing one of the softest tables I've ever sat at but nvm

[Pates]

I'm probably flat calling pre. You don't exactly need to isolate with and so all you're really achieving is an inflated pot. (I find at live games people limp call a huge % of the time). It's a good spot to just play a nice small pot postflop with a playable hand even if it is 5 handed. I used to think limping the button was horrible but in situations like this I definitely think it's the best way to play it.

Stacking off on that flop all day. Checking behind is pretty horrible when there are a huge bunch of hands seat 2 is folding out. My guess is he had QJ/KQss?

[aamir6433]

I personally chuck this pre. Idk the table dynamics but if there was a lot of limp/folding or c/fing on flops then being aggro pre is ok. Typically broadway is a limp/call fest though so i dunno.

Never check behind on the flop, i think you want to take it down there than let him catch up with KJ type hands (easily possible at broadway lol) etc and you can't really have been hoping for a much better flop than that

[RNGkillmenow]

I agree too that I do not really like the iso pre, but I do not hate it as long as you have a tight image and the table has been limp/foldy. When you get flatted from the BB, alarm bells should start going off. I am guessing villian showed up with JJ/QQ or a set here.

However, as played, you destroyed that flop... but here is where I would went a different route postflop, and the problem is the sizing of your c-bet. We know that we are not folding ever on this flop. However, if we do happen to get all the chips in, we are never really more than a slight favorite. SOOOOOOOOOOO, we need to try to take this pot down WITHOUT SHOWING DOWN, or get to a showdown cheaply, just bc u flopped well does not mean you HAVE to get it all in here postflop. Whenever you bet 5200, you just make it really easy for him to make a play on you or just shove a good hand for value. It really puts the pressure back on you, and in this case forces you to showdown in probably a race situation for all your chips. NOW, instead of cbetting 5200, I would have cbet something very small, like 2400 or even like 1800. And here is my reason. In the villian's mind, he can take that bet as weakness or strength. If he takes it as strength, he may very well just fold a lot of hands that have you beat. THAT IS GREAT!!! we win the pot right now. yippee!!!! If he takes that bet as weakness, he may raise you, trying to win the pot right now. That is when you insta-ca-chunk him all in and hes left scratching his head pissed off he lost a third of his stack. That move looks VERY STRONG, looks exactly like AA/KK so here is a chance he would fold a lot of one pair hands that have you beat. And if he does call, you are never in a bad spot. Either way you are putting HIM to the test with a hand that is never far behind but never far ahead either if it goes to a showdown. Now you are probably asking , well what if he just calls my small bet on the flop and I whiff the turn??????? Then what??? Well, when the turn comes a blank, 95% of the time the villian is going to check to you. You can check behind, try to bink your river, and if you whiff you can even get away from your hand having only lost 1/6 of your stack. Or you can fire a second bullet. Either way the turn is where it is nice to have some sort of a read.

This is a case of knowing stack sizes, manipulating our betsizing to put the pressure on our opponent

[891327]

The players who had limped were limp/folding alot. Tbh, in this spot I'm playing pretty much any 2 cards as I'll at least limp here with most hands and raise some. Big blind had 1010, so really if she'd played the hand right and 3bet then I easily get away preflop. I don't really get why she didn't 3bet, especially considering some of rubbish I'd been showing down but considering this is broadway casino it doesn't really suprise me. Last night I saw some plays so horrible they actually made me cringe

[RNGkillmenow]

she didnt 3bet pre bc u look so strong. i gaurentee if she doesnt flop set u couldda got her off of it

[891327]

I had a pretty LAG image, I'd already shown down 89suited after raising utg and 73suited after 3 betting the button and I'd played alot of hands

[Pates]

Fwiw, I think the bet sizing on the flop is ok. I'd probably go less to about 4500. I don't mind your small bet RNG but I religiously keep my bet sizing the same and only adjust on position and not on hand strength.

I think we can't fold this pre. A3suited on the BTN is just too good to pass up when we're getting great odds (and the times we don't even need odds because we can just outplay the ****ty limpers anyway). Imo, Call > Raise > Fold

[nickstrick1]

Muck it pre for sure. Look at stack sizes of players behind + the big stack on the bb is beggin for a squeeze. On Axx boards you're probably getting jammed on the flop by the players with 10-15bbs on your right, and you're probably not good. I can see why flatting pre isn't a bad option either, since you have the button and you're getting 5:1. But I think isolating pre in this spot isn't in the best interests of your stack size.

Agree with platefish about stacking off on that flop after you have juiced it up pre though.

[bizkit]

I'm at least limping here but I may raise if the table dynamic was as you say it was.

It's mainly what RNG said about playing the hand postflop. Your bet sizing probably wasn't great but either way you're putting it in on the flop. There's no reason to not vary your bet sizes to your advantage especially when you're facing non-thinking weak opponents. Anyway...what amounts to 1/3 your stack already in the pot on the flop it's a serious win just taking down the pot. Even if your opponent happens to have a set you still have about 30% equity. Against anything else you should be better than 50/50. I don't really agree the only hands they are continuing with here are sets. I think JJ is just as likely as TT&99 combined. AT,KT, flush draws & straight draws(QJ) certainly aren't out of the question either.

As for them flatting out of the small blind you'll see this play a lot as an aggressive player. They don't want you to fold out majority of your range and take down the pot. They finally have a "hand" and now they want to bust you. Of course, this probably isn't the optimal situation to do it and they could waterfall the rest of the crowd in the pot. Then be in a difficult spot to play their 10's. But as you said these aren't thinking players. This would be something I would think about doing against an open button raise especially if their 4bet puts me in a confusing spot but they played a very readable game post flop.