thin value?

[pokethis]

played this hand at 1/1 at the casino last night, villain is very competent aggressive player.

he makes it 6 from the cut off and i call the BB with kd9d

flop is Td9hTc i check, he bets 9 and i call

turn is 4d i lead out for 19 and he calls

river is 8h i lead out for 42 and he tank calls and shows AA.

thoughts please?

[Pates]

Really would stray away from playing K9dd out of position. If villain is a competent aggressive player and has position on us then we're pretty screwed most of the time.

As he's a decent player then he's not going to call the river with worse than K9. Even hands like JQ get there so I'm quite possibly check folding the river as played. You really look like you're playing a T here which is turning your hand into a bluff on the river. We're folding out worse but never folding out what has us beat like JJ+. I don't really see any value on the river.

I'd much rather 3bet pre if I'm going to play a good player oop but with something like K9s I'm just going to muck.

[pokethis]

this is everything thats bad about the hand, i should have probably included an inkling that i think villain seriously underestimates me.

the main point im stuck on is why is his call with AA any diffrent to calling with 22. plus i didn't figure him for as strong as AA when he just called on the turn, i thought a lot of the tome he has 55,66,77 and if he called with AA how can he pass these hands?

[bizkit]

It doesn't matter if he underestimates you; you're underestimating him by thinking you can flat OOP here with this hand. His call with AA is a lot different than 22 as clearly you could have a 9, KK-JJ, 77-33, etc. It's not an easy call for him but it's not very likely he's ever folding this.

[thefairy]

As everyone says

As played I would check raise the flop then check fold.

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

As everyone says

As played I would check raise the flop then check fold.

why??

If I thought that his flop cbet range was FOS I would check call. C/R gets looked up by worse rarely and just bloats the pot OOP.

[thefairy]

why??

If I thought that his flop cbet range was FOS I would check call. C/R gets looked up by worse rarely and just bloats the pot OOP.

Because any over card is pretty gash OOP, i would be doing it to take down the pot there and then, better than calling two streets surely? as i assume you would call a turn fire too if its a brick?

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

Because any over card is pretty gash OOP, i would be doing it to take down the pot there and then, better than calling two streets surely? as i assume you would call a turn fire too if its a brick?

Yea over cards would suck if we call OOP, but any card is going to suck if he calls our c/r. Like a 9 is the best card and all we can hope for is that an overpair believes we're turning a counterfeited pair into a bluff. I do see what you mean about taking the pot down though as I feel it will probably happen a lot.

As the turn fell I would either check call like 90%, or check raise as a semi bluff to represent a T the other 10%, depending on what mood I'm in. I think I would check call a K, check fold an A/Q/J and check call T-2. So yes I'm continuing on most bricks.

FWIW I would fold/3bet this pre, as CO's range is probably no where nerar loose enough to play K9s OOP profitably.

[tan_man25]

i didn't figure him for as strong as AA when he just called on the turn

This is standard surely when there are two 10's on the flop. I like his line, the fact that he flats here, so that if you have a 10, he loses the minimum, plus since he has position, it gives you another chance to fire out a bluff (if you are bluffing) on the river.

[Litellio]

thoughts please?

Fold pre.