rush poker, river spot vs unknown

[aamir6433]

Preflop is a misclick. You can analyse all streets (not pre) but i am mainly interested to hear what you think of teh river spot? I play sngs generally and this rush game was just a rare thing i do very occasionally to mix it up a bit.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

SB: $11.85
BB: $412.60
UTG: $220.80
UTG+1: $227.50
UTG+2: $200.00
MP1: $827.55
MP2: $323.90
Hero (CO): $202.00
BTN: $135.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with
5 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BB raises to $19, Hero calls $13

Flop: ($39.00) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($39.00) (2 players)
BB bets $26, Hero calls $26

River: ($91.00) (2 players)
BB requests TIME, BB checks, Hero bets $33, BB requests TIME, BB raises to $367.60 all in, Hero requests TIME

[BarrattG10102]

if he flat calls the ace in that position he probably had a straight draw / 2 pair most likely. the fact that he requests time then checks, you bet 33$ i cant help but feel he thinks your only betting because he showed weakness as a result he tries to play it off as a induced bluff and reraises all in, id think your safe to call here.

[Litellio]

Your bet's pretty weak tbh, def induces a raise from a thinking player.

I'd probably call here.

[891327]

Kinda sick but I probably fold, but your bet looks like a pretty thin value bet so he could have just picked up that it was weak and be trying to push you off something weak. That seems like the kind of flop where he might be checking AK/AQ etc rather than c-betting so its pretty easy for him to have got to the river like that with those hands and play them like that on the river. He could also check that flop with a set, he probably c-bets 10-KK. I don't think there are many hands you get value from there on the river that he's got to the river with like that, I think when you bet the river there he check/folds alot, check/raises alot (some value some bluffs, maybe with something like KxQx) but doesn't really check/call much. It seems super nitty but maybe check back the river against an unknown who probably isn't paying you off that light?

What actually happened?

[aamir6433]

I called and he had KQo. I started writing out a bit of analysis, read it back, decided i'll stick to tourneys :P but hopefully over Summer i'll get better at cash. I'll still dabble occasionally when i get bored. Fwiw though, i think my call is pretty stationy.

[stato_1]

Bet Flop?

Don't lie about pre being a misclick?

FWIW i dont mind flatting pre too much.

Kinda like betting this flop because it is the sort of board villain will just check give up with AK-AT and pretty much never check TT+. Also if u know villain will play draws aggressively, then you can just barrel him off hands on scare cards on future streets.

Sometimes on rivers like this I like to purposely bet small like you did to try an induce a river raise, so once u do this I'm snapping off here, as I dont think villian is check calling very often at all like 891327 said.

[aamir6433]

Bet Flop?

Don't lie about pre being a misclick?

FWIW i dont mind flatting pre too much.

Kinda like betting this flop because it is the sort of board villain will just check give up with AK-AT and pretty much never check TT+. Also if u know villain will play draws aggressively, then you can just barrel him off hands on scare cards on future streets.

Sometimes on rivers like this I like to purposely bet small like you did to try an induce a river raise, so once u do this I'm snapping off here, as I dont think villian is check calling very often at all like 891327 said.

Yeah i could have bet flop, though it was odd he didn't cbet? Plus i do have a gutshot and i would have been sad if he cr'd me off it.

The river i figure be way ahead or way behind. The small bet was to get a sigh-call from worse (not sure from what though, like edd said there's like nothing he can flat with). I do think if i was in more serious mode i'd have mucked the river but i happened to be in a more gambooling mood at the time and had to see.

[891327]

Yeah i could have bet flop, though it was odd he didn't cbet? Plus i do have a gutshot and i would have been sad if he cr'd me off it.

The river i figure be way ahead or way behind. The small bet was to get a sigh-call from worse (not sure from what though, like edd said there's like nothing he can flat with). I do think if i was in more serious mode i'd have mucked the river but i happened to be in a more gambooling mood at the time and had to see.

On the flop, he probably cbets TT+. I doubt he's check raising, he might check raise draws / sets if he doesn't cbet them but given the kind of hands he's checking and just giving up with here (AK/AQ/AJ/KQ etc) I think betting the flop is probably best.

As played tho, given the fact that I don't think he check/calls much you should only ever bet that river if you're planning to call a raise, you should never be betting that river if you're folding to a raise

[The Incompetent-Donkey]

Amir, if pre-flop was a misclick then it wasn't a bad misclick. Flatting this IP is more than acceptable especially if you think that BB can be 3betting pretty wide (goodness knows why people do this but they do).

I think though that you should bet the flop, if he c/r you it's not the end of the world as an A, BDFD +GS is hardly a hand with decent equity (30-40%) where you're worried about being blown off it, in other words you want to rep some strength here if at the very least to help eliminate hands like AJ-K.

The problem with the turn card is that it hits his range as much as it hits your hand. Because he didn't bet the flop it is unlikely that he has an overpair (but possible) and his AJ-K now beat you. However if villain is a thinking player he will realise this and bet out with 42s, so to some level I think keeping him honest with at least some clean outs is the right play here.

After he checks the river you are correct (imo) to try and extract value from TT-KK (even though there won't be too many of those after flop check) as the only hands which would check/raise for value are FH's he whiffed a c/r on the flop with. Now you faced the check raise I recommend you pay it off as 100bbs deep I always pay off monsters (true story).