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Thread: 33 hits gin against v-tight 3bettor 200bb effective, how best to get value?

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    33 hits gin against v-tight 3bettor 200bb effective, how best to get value?

    Villian is a presumed reg but seems relatively passive 22/ 14/3% 3bet/90%fold to 3bet/40%AFQ, over 200 hands. I don't believe he was card dead as when he showed down his last 3bet it was KK's.

    I presume villains range will be AK,JJ+,TT?,AQ? here so hand ranging should be pretty simple.

    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by http://weaktight.com/

    Stacks:
    UTG klosar22 $30.27
    UTG+1 Hero $55.37
    CO walk4444 $83.14

    BTN Pokerovs $25
    SB me_god $44.98
    BB ZDima68 $27.60

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $1, walk4444 raises to $3.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

    Flop: ($7.35, 2 players)
    Hero ?

    I think that all 3 options of c/r,c/c,b/something have merits here. Which line would you guys take and why?

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    lead out weak. tight players tend to have trouble letting go of their overs if they have waited patiently for a hand. let him float and check the turn no matter what.
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    c/r, lead turn he shoves. booooom. TT. damn.

    we get bet from AK/AQ and we get to inflate pot on flop because we are so deep.
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    +1 Rockart, a 3.50 cbet would give opp reason to call, 3/1. Can't go any lower really since it was opened 3.50. And checking the turn is viable, and I'm not just parroting Rockart.. I am thinking a c/r turn/river is strong, because if he does call flop, he will bet in the turn more often than not, because he invested even $. Deciding whether to re-pop turn will be up to u. A Pot sized raise by opp on turn(when u check) with 3.50 raise flop is 20.70. Almost 15.00 that you can take down turn with a re-raise when opp folds. I would suggest re-raising turn, because it looks weak and your going to act first on river. It would be as if you are taking your turn earlier with the advantage of not letting opp see the river card.
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    What does "lead out weak" even mean?

    I agree with c/r flop. He's more likely to spaz out or overvalue his hand there than the turn, plus probably gives the greatest chance to get stacks in by the end of the hand. It doesn't look as strong as c/ring turn. If he flats the flop c/r barrel all turns i guess and hope he doesn't fold an overpair.

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    'lead out weak' would be to raise while leaving opp odds to call

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    i dont think you should be ckeck raising this flop also what is the guys aggression factor, i think its very important in this spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nath0175 View Post
    i dont think you should be ckeck raising this flop also what is the guys aggression factor, i think its very important in this spot.
    About 1.7 with 40% frequency.

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    I personally like betting an amount on the flop that makes it look like we are c/betting i.e 1/2 the current pot size. The if the turn represents any of his possible range bet out 1/3 the pot (i still think its possible to believe the hero is double barreling) even if he just has ak the line will look weak enough to flat call reraise river, basically i suggest betting the pot in such a way to induce him to try go for the pot on the river, this would mean however leaving yourself with a bigger stack for the river and betting lightish to make it appear you have fold equity then reraise/shove.

    I think check raising will almost allways take down the pot as we have bet flated a 3 bet the preflop we allready look super strong and check raising here will really set off alarm bells.

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    lol donk bet flop is terrible this isn't a live game we aren't leading flop weak for info or some crap.. He has a decent hand so lets make him go broke with JJ+ and lets pick up a possible cbet with his AK/Q. If he checks back flop then bet turn. ez game.

    c/r no brainer.
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